Balk rules

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Balk rules
« on: December 05, 2009, 12:00:13 PM »
In a recent game of note, with a runner on 2nd the pitcher balks and in doing so the pitch hits the batter.  My ruling was to place the runner on 3rd and keep the batter at the plate to continue and added 1 ball to his count.  The coach argued that the batter should go to 1st base and the
runner remain at 2nd base. What is the right ruling?

Re: Balk rules
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2009, 12:06:02 PM »
The runner on second goes to third on the balk and the count stays the same on the batter.

Jim

Re: Balk rules
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 12:55:05 PM »
Once a balk is called its a dead ball and no pitch.

Re: Balk rules
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 08:45:43 AM »
It depends. When the ball hit the batter the coach could take the balk or the result of the play. In this case if he wanted his player on first then he would not get third. Or he is awarded third and a ball is called on the batter.

When a balk is called it is not a dead ball. If the pitcher throws the ball it is a free ball. The batter can hit the ball and take the result of the play. If the batter were to hit the ball and get thrown out then the coach would take the result of the play.

That is one reason why when a balk is called that a pitcher stops.

Re: Balk rules
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 11:04:10 AM »
It depends. When the ball hit the batter the coach could take the balk or the result of the play. In this case if he wanted his player on first then he would not get third. Or he is awarded third and a ball is called on the batter.

When a balk is called it is not a dead ball. If the pitcher throws the ball it is a free ball. The batter can hit the ball and take the result of the play. If the batter were to hit the ball and get thrown out then the coach would take the result of the play.

That is one reason why when a balk is called that a pitcher stops.

I don't know what rule set you are using, but NFHS (2-2-3) rules states that any balk is a dead ball (2-28-2) and runners are awarded a base.  Anything that happens after that is void.  If the pitcher balks (only can happen when runners on base) and still throws the pitch and the batter hits it over the fense, the coach does not get to choose anything.  The runner gets the next base and we start back up.  Now the same "balk" is technically an illegal pitch.  If it happens when no runners are on base, then a BALL is added to the batters count (2-18).

The only time a coach can get his choice of outcomes is with CO (catcher's obstruction) (8-1-1e).

Re: Balk rules
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2011, 08:05:53 AM »
In a recent game of note, with a runner on 2nd the pitcher balks and in doing so the pitch hits the batter.  My ruling was to place the runner on 3rd and keep the batter at the plate to continue and added 1 ball to his count.  The coach argued that the batter should go to 1st base and the
runner remain at 2nd base. What is the right ruling?

You got the first half of your ruling right.  With runners on, a balk advances all base runners one base.  There is not change to the batters count, thought.  It remains the same.  The coach doesn't know his rules, either.  Now, with no runners on base a balk is now technically known as an "illegal pitch."  Such stuff like going to the mouth while on the mount and not whipping it off.  That would add a ball to the batters count.

Re: Balk rules
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2011, 12:44:54 PM »
The Major League rule on this is 8.05, which states that the penalty for a balk is "The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk. {emphasis added}"

We've had this come up twice in USSSA tournament games (USSSA uses MLB rules primarily). In both instances, the batter got a base hit on the pitch, driving in at least one run. The umpires got the call right the second time, enabling the play to continue as if the balk never occurred. It's not the choice of the coach once the batter reaches first and the runners advance. But at that point they are also at risk of being put out for advancing extra bases.


Re: Balk rules
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2011, 10:08:48 PM »
How do you balk with no runners on base?

Re: Balk rules
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 11:23:53 AM »
I don't know what rule set you are using, but NFHS (2-2-3) rules states that any balk is a dead ball (2-28-2) and runners are awarded a base.  Anything that happens after that is void.  If the pitcher balks (only can happen when runners on base) and still throws the pitch and the batter hits it over the fense, the coach does not get to choose anything.  The runner gets the next base and we start back up.  Now the same "balk" is technically an illegal pitch.  If it happens when no runners are on base, then a BALL is added to the batters count (2-18).

The only time a coach can get his choice of outcomes is with CO (catcher's obstruction) (8-1-1e).

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High School rules are a different animal. When you play 14U and they do not follow High School Rules, then they are using Major League rules with whatever adjustments they want. In most cases. According to major league rules the ball is not dead on a balk.

You cannot balk with no runners on, but it would be a illegal pitch.

Re: Balk rules
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2013, 11:54:22 AM »
Correct - that with MLB rules, the ball remains live.  After the play has stopped, the coach has the choice of either 1)the result of the play or 2)the awarding of bases to base runners and the count reverting back prior to the pitch.  Eventually, NFHS will move to use the same rule set at college and MLB.  Legion ball uses MLB rules, so why not high school.

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